Jon Bernie: You know, as … I think it’s
natural for us as human beings to want things from other people. I think that’s natural.
So why wouldn’t a student want something from a spiritual teacher? And maybe hope that they
could give it to them. You know, if you want to … I just think that’s natural. That we
want answers, that we want guidance, that we want help. I certainly did. Plenty. And
I don’t think there’s any … I mean I think it’s beautiful to want, and it’s beautiful
to try to get it. I think at some point whether it’s in relationship
to one’s parents where there may be all kinds of projection going on, or with a teacher
where there may be all kinds of projection going on, there’s going to come a point in
the person’s unfoldment where they’re going to see through that projection. They’re going
to see, “Oh my goodness, I’m … that’s not over there!” And, I think that, you know,
again a teacher that is clear and is clean, if you will, will acknowledge a student as
themselves. And not say, “I’m … I know more than you, I’m better than you, I’m more enlightened
than you” or any of that kind of thing. Or, give that impression. But simply point out
quite clearly and directly that this openness in the connected field, the unified field,
is the oneness that we are. And so there is no projection when that’s happening. When
there is the dropping away of the subject-object relationship, when you’re in that nondual
realm, there is no projection going on. Projection is only a psychological function. So, if that’s
going on then that’s work that someone needs to work with. However they work with it. Whether
they get in touch with those feelings, or get in touch with the needs that aren’t getting
met, or the desires that they want something that they’re not getting, or whether it’s
bringing up, you know, unfinished business from parental issues. It could be a whole
host of things. That’s what I call the human work. And how
beautiful that it will come up. I mean, I think if we can honor that and welcome it
and embrace it, and not say, “Oh, well, that’s not spiritual.” Or, “Gee, I guess I must be
on the wrong path because … or on the wrong track because I’m not just in the oneness.”
And see wow, this is actually facilitating … to actually bring consciousness to the
fact that there’s projection going on, that actually can facilitate being free. If one doesn’t see it then one can be stuck
in that … what? … in that identity, in that trying to get something. So, personally, I think teachers have more
responsibility than students in this department, to be honest about it. And I’m not sure how
many are clear about it to be perfectly honest. And are really communicating about it. They
may not understand it, they may not know that that’s going on, they may be so removed from
the people that are coming to their gatherings, that they don’t realize that that impact is
happening. So, I don’t know, maybe because I work so much one-on-one with people and
have for so many years that I’m much more aware of that? And I think for people who
work through that, and so many people have, all I hear is, thank you for saving my life.
I mean, in a way there’s a kind of benefit to having the illusion of some elevated person
stripped away and say “Oh, you’re just an ordinary human being who isn’t perfect. I
guess it’s ok that I am.” You know, that you can also be free AND an imperfect human being.
I mean, that’s the real message to get across. That’s the message that I keep communicating
as much as possible. People don’t want to hear that. Because there’s this illusion of
perfection. But it’s an illusion. That which we are is perfect. There’s no question about
that … I mean, you could say that’s already perfect. It doesn’t need our help, it doesn’t
need our understanding, it doesn’t need anything. And when we’re … when awareness moves in
that, we are happy and free and open and loving and compassionate and unified.